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Nicholas.Wilkinson's avatar

I've always been a bit confused by the 'in the 90s we believed in endless progress because of Francis Fukuyama' trope. I kind of thought it was a post hoc straw man, really. You're saying that, for you, the nineties really did seem like that - whether because it was what you thought yourself, or because it was what others seemed to think. So I suppose it isn't just made up as I'd assumed, but it wasn't my experience.

I don't remember believing that at all - not intellectually, anyway. I had this assumption in... my body?... that things would simply be *fine* in spite of what my brain could say, but then I still do. I remember also that I dismissed specific things: I couldn't really believe that 'the US religious right' was going to be a serious problem in the future, and I was obviously wrong there. But I don't think I believed that because I thought religion belonged to the past. It was more the opposite: I didn't like the views of my atheist friend suggesting that religion was bad. Neither of us thought it was just going to go away quietly, though, or inevitably. I maybe thought it was going to quietly stick around but I didn't really think it through.

Maybe it was because I mostly just read science fiction as a teenager, which would often get quite boring if it assumed history was already over. Star Trek and Iain M Banks' Culture get around this by assuming history would be over for the focal civilizations but other alien civilizations are still wrapped up in it, but both of those settings still place the end of history well beyond the point where we are now.

I had a sense, I think, that the next bit of history was about big corporations becoming more powerful than governments and replacing the nation state as the dominant powers, and that there would be a grassroots struggle against this. Microsoft loomed particularly large in the imagination there. Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars books were about this, but it is the view I'd absorbed of the future before I read those.

I'm not sure any of this is very relevant to what you are saying here... except that maybe, in various ways, we've never (all) been (quite as) modern (as all that)?

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Melissa Harrison's avatar

I remember having a drunk conversation with someone in around 1996 about whether 'progress' - as in, things just getting better and better, which is how everything felt - was really true. Obviously, now it seems insane that I would even ask the question. It was SUCH a different time.

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